arisuchan    [ tech / cult / art ]   [ λ / Δ ]   [ psy ]   [ ru ]   [ random ]   [ meta ]   [ all ]    info / stickers     temporarily disabledtemporarily disabled

/cyb/ - cyberpunk and cybersecurity

low life. high tech. anonymity. privacy. security.
Name
Email
Subject
Comment

formatting options

File
Password (For file deletion.)

Help me fix this shit. https://archive.arisuchan.jp/q/res/2703.html#2703

Kalyx ######


 No.3491

We live in a cyberpunk world, and frankly, you are not the protagonist.

You are the extra in the streets, standing in the hazy middle distance and faintly illuminated by the storefront in the night.

You are the passive victim of the megacorp's virtual reality distraction soykaf, and all that sets you apart from the Average Joe is that you sit around and think about how much deeper and more edgy you are than everyone around you.

You think that wasting time on Arisuchan is subversive, and nothing like wasting time on Facebook.

Look at me, everyone! I'm using Tor, I'm using VPN, I've got _opsec!_ Aren't I a big boy now, everyone? I hope you're all proud of me.

Hey, I don't intend to disparage. There's a lot of honor in the life of an extra, if you play it well, but you can't play it if you don't know who you are, and a lot of you seem to think (at some level or another) that you are Deckard or Neo or something like that.

Taking that step out of delusion is the first step on a road to something like "inner peace", and the kind of genuine _joie de vivre_ that inspires white women to put cake recipes on Pinterest. It's sure as hell better than cryptopunk fuckery, as far as I can tell.

 No.3492

You are just talking about upstarts who are trying to express themselves through yet another label of the popular counter-culture. Not everyone like that. Please, don't also forget that 'cryptopunk fuckery' can be a hobby, so these people are getting the same joie de vivre as the white women get.

Consider that even if not everyone here is having some ideals and ideas or interest, and such people came here simply for a role-playing of the cool guy, they are still acquiring new skills which are really useful in the modern world, since our lives are getting more and more bounded with the technology and computers. Facebook is just a mindflow of useless news, infowars, people's thoughts and their mood status that leads to nothing but degradation. Hence I think this is incorrect to compare this community to the Facebook.

Please, tell me if you think this is right to point to others how they should live, especially if you are the same average Joe.

 No.3493

File: 1541510363463.jpg (19.93 KB, 407x286, 8e0.jpg)

>you sit around and think about how much deeper and more edgy you are than everyone around you

OP is a hypocrite

 No.3494

>>3493
nah, i'm a self-acknowledged killjoy and nobody.

 No.3495

>>3492
based on the kinds of things i read in here, y'all are depressed and paranoid. i know how it feels to be in that state because i've been in this community before. i'm happy to hear that you seem to have a better experience.

my point is something like, why are you here? what does Arisuchan give you in terms of computer education that you can't get from Stack Overflow? what does Arisuchan give you in terms of socialization that is less shallow than any other social media platform?

i can't speak for everyone who's on this site, but a lot of people seem to be convinced that they are Crash Overdrive facing up against the Man, and it's a little surreal to me.

 No.3497

>>3492
>they are still acquiring new skills which are really useful in the modern world
>Installing and running tor browser
>google translating all text before posting
>No understanding of threat models and when to apply counter measures vs indiscriminate application of technologies even where they reduce security (IE. FDE without back to protect against unlikely and inconsequential government local attack at the expense of availability when HDD dies).
>mfw sec anons are actually learning how not to practice information security but are playing a bizarre role-playing game that they think makes them an international spy.
>The emperor has no clothes.

 No.3499

Do you really think you needed to post this here? Have you seen what goes down in /feels/? Most of us are not even the protagonists of our own lives.

 No.3500

>>3491
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Please make this thread about every year or so, as this imageboard and its people are as slow as the libre thinkpads they use.

>>3493
Hypocrisy has no effect on the truthfulness of a statement, only reality has.
If you go on to murder five hundred people and then say stuff like "murder is against the law and is morally wrong", you're absolutely right and any person who gets angry at your hipocrisy is on the wrong end of your killing spree.

>>3495
I guess it's all about aesthetics, eh?
People gotta learn to love KDE and corporate blues.

>>3499
Point that out to them in a serious discussion and they're all "not everyone is like /feels/!"

 No.3502

"the wise one says because he has something to say, the silly one says because he needs to say something".

 No.3503

>>3499
you'd think /feels/ didn't exist, what with the attitude of some people on /cyb/

 No.3504

well i never planned on being a protagonist, just a random guy on the internet

 No.3505

>>3491

I don't know what to say it's like the fith time we got a paragraph similar to this in the last two month.

>and a lot of you seem to think (at some level or another) that you are Deckard or Neo or something like that.


Most of us just want to either learn, share, and keep active with the subject of privacy, security etc. Sure, there is troll and teenager i wanna be edgy and cool, can't do anything about it there will always be one. We engage in discussion about different topic to improve our understanding. There is a need to introduce people to these important subject, blade runner as the aesthetic that a lot of cyberpunk oriented art, movie, book take from. The matrix as an interesting message at is core which is interesting and can ignite a flame about privacy, security, encryption etc. They are symbol that resonate greatly with the design, aesthetic, messages of this place. They are not to take as face value. The fact that I have to tell this is just embarrassing.

>Taking that step out of delusion is the first step on a road to something like "inner peace", and the kind of genuine _joie de vivre_ that inspires white women to put cake recipes on Pinterest. It's sure as hell better than cryptopunk fuckery, as far as I can tell.


You came here by yourself, you came here telling us that we are "Delusional" and that living in ignorance is better. If being ignorant is better for you, so be it. I don't feel any inner peace when I know there is massive collection of my data out there, or that my county actively prevent security on internet. What I can tell you is i feel absolutely better since I know about all this information, I feel better also because I'm capable of protecting myself at a certain extend.

>my point is something like, why are you here? what does Arisuchan give you in terms of computer education that you can't get from Stack Overflow? what does Arisuchan give you in terms of socialization that is less shallow than any other social media platform?


It doesn't give any computer education and it should never replace it. What it does is give information about let's say Linux or encryption, anonymouth, Tox, etc and we can discuss it between people that understand and value similar thing. Once the information is in your hand you have the responsibility to ask question, search or ask help. In term of socialization, it's not better than any other place, but it does not require you to have an account and you can use Tor or a VPN. Maybe in a years we will be able to use a onion link who knows? It's a niche community and it's as slow traffic but more honest one for what I have witness.

 No.3506

>>3505
>Most of us just want to either learn, share, and keep active with the subject of privacy, security etc
>We engage in discussion about different topic to improve our understanding.
I think this is roughly my experience with cyber/tech boards. It is effectively people who want to become elite hackers but who don't organize anything, and seem to be learning over time. The image-board format doesn't seem to be suited mass collaboration on courses, and doesn't ever seem to organize anything in particular. There doesn't seem to be some kind of institutional knowledge base (like a wiki), and the culture is full of what in my mind are absurd /sec/ or /tech/ memes that have little to do with reality, everything from arcane demands about what kind of hardware and programming languages are acceptable, to requirements to google translate all text so as to avoid an unspecified threat from an unspecified actor. There is absolutely no analysis of requirements or suitability or threat models for anything. Frankly, the only thing I do here is anonymously argue with strangers that probably couldn't careless about my opinion or ever change their mind, but like everybody else, I think I am more qualified than others, and hope to spread "knowledge".

>since I know about all this information, I feel better also because I'm capable of protecting myself at a certain extend.

Little to no information is qualified here, and whats posted is sometimes so absurd that I feel bad for the people doing the stuff. There have been posts even about people getting tired of accepting all the negative aspects of being an international spy but gaining none of the exciting aspects. Also the irony, is deploying random countermeasures is not a process that produces security. Depending on your goals taking certain configurations and counter measures could be less rather than more secure. Blindly following advice found here is a role-playing game, not a process that produces security.

>It doesn't give any computer education and it should never replace it

The truth! There is little in these places except fantasy. There is no underground. The best places to learn skills are advertised and well known - just boring. Its far more exciting to learn computer hacking skills and information security by joining and underground hacker community than it is to read "The Art of Exploitation" etc. Its also conveniently, far less work, and easier to simply post your opinion and be right on the internet.

The point of imageboards seems to be their empherality, and lack of organization. And this is exactly what makes it ill suited as a Q&A platform, or a basis of institutional knowledge (Wiki, stackexchange), or a platform for organizing around a common effort to read SICP or w/e.

Perhaps a board per book with a thread per chapter with real time comms like IRC/tox discussion would be suited to operate around. I wonder if there are enough people in the board intrested in a single work to make an effort like this worthwhile.

It would be awesome to have a /cyb/ group organize a core skillset, then organize a reading group around that skillset, and compile a wiki + series of threads around the topic, and operate like this in a sustained fashion.

 No.3508

>>3506

>Perhaps a board per book with a thread per chapter with real time comms like IRC/tox discussion would be suited to operate around. I wonder if there are enough people in the board intrested in a single work to make an effort like this worthwhile.


It would be awesome to have a /cyb/ group organize a core skillset, then organize a reading group around that skillset, and compile a wiki + series of threads around the topic, and operate like this in a sustained fashion.

This is a wonderful idea. I agree this could be amazing. It just need to be able to roll the class without having to interact with the user all the time like a delayed class.

 No.3509

>>3508
>Well both are possible. Imgboard is suited to asynchronous discussion. Having a thread per chapter would allow people to join later. Read thread, post interpretations, argue, link to relevant content. Best of could be written up as wiki.
Part of the value might be synchronous. stuff. Having a loose deadline ("Read chapter 1 in two weeks"), and then having real time communications and working through excersizes togther via IRC/tox might be useful.
Low intensity means more people can join.

What constitutes cyber knowledge?

 No.3516

>>3506
many people, with an eye to privacy, will also not post directly about their questionable activities on a public website, or public irc chan. Its difficult to say what all the people here might be up to, because they are inherently private people aware of the problems of talking too much about their lives in some areas.

>>3499
> Most of us are not even the protagonists of our own lives.
wuuut.

not sure what you mean by this, but I'm willing to bet that I disagree.

If you're right, god you people need to start doing things.

 No.3517

>>3516
> god you people need to start doing things

I did a thing once and I didn't like it.

 No.3538

>>3516
>>3516
>many people, with an eye to privacy, will also not post directly about their questionable activities on a public website, or public irc chan.
The underground doesn't exist. Hacking doesn't work the way people think. Resistance to global capitalism isn't a thing in western developed nations. Most of the security advice posted here isn't suited to this kind of resistance anyway - its about avoid hyper-Orwellian surveillance "botnet" through 90s laptops with gentoo. The deep levels of the darknet is a meme. Cyberpunk is ill defined, but an attractive combination of asthetic , hacker fantasy, international spy roleplay, and oxymoronic social status seeking without persistent identity.

Truely, I hope we can collectively build some kind of cyb wiki, skillset, and produce something.

 No.3544

>>3491
You seem to be under some kind of misunderstanding regarding aesthetics , they do serve a purpose, you are brushing them off as if they were unimportant, shallow constructs, behaving as if everything that isn't realist and straightforwardly translatable into a practical field didn't carry meaning.
You seem to imply that an ideal, not-edgy version of this board wold be one where people talking about this abstract stuff would:
1- not invest themselves in subject-related meme and aesthetic pseudo-role-play of no real practical use, and instead behave as if whatever they were doing or talking about was a matter to be regarded without even the slightest trace of futility
2- have a solid skillet and knowledge untainted by myths or noise
That's madness, expect this is the same as being even more disconnected with reality than you say a lot of people here are

I was drawn here by the aesthetics while i was researching SEL, i really like cyberpunk stuff even if the topics being discussed are unlikely to actually come in contact with reality at some point.
I do not think i believe myself to be Neo at some level and i don't think aesthetics and role-play tell you anything about whether the actual person is disconnect from reality or not.
I've read so many interesting discussions on /cyb/ and /feels/ I don't see myself having those conversations with white women who post cake recipes or whatever, and certainly not in f-ing Facebook.
There is purpose in esoterism and mystification

 No.3558

>>3491
what are you talking about?

 No.3559

>>3491
what?

 No.3560

you're creating a strawman, it's not your fault. just understand that it's got nothing to do with you.

by "it's" I mean "it's"
you got it
you're the extra in my life.
I guess that means i'm ego tripping

just because people do things online that are different doesnt mean they think they're some kind of god or deckard or whatever you want to throw around. it's not that serious

that kind of attitude is boring, the need to act as though all individuation is an expression of angst all the time is as unnecessary as the idea that there exist a dualism between normal people and people that partake in chan culture.

why is posting about recipes better than posting about whatever else?

of course you could create a lot of different arguments and jokes one way or the other supporting your side or whomever else's side.

what it all really comes down to is individual motivations.

rarely if ever is generalization like that useful.

it's the same kind of paternalistic style of thought italian people use. Just specifically italians. They're lazy and think they're cool for no reason. The problem with that is not accounting for outliers. Im special cause im an outlier Italian and you're not so neeeh neeeh jokes on you :0

 No.3561

nords are cool

 No.3562

>>3558
>>3559
>>3560
>>3561
Hello, little bot. Can I get your version number please?

 No.3570

>>3562
uh yeah I guess.
idk mane
fuk

guess u got me hoe
tryna link the pieces together and you got me.
you always was a silly hoe



[Return] [Go to top] [ Catalog ] [Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]