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Help me fix this shit. https://archive.arisuchan.jp/q/res/2703.html#2703

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 No.896

0ch seems to be down, anybody know what happened?

 No.897

pol raid. It seems anarchists aren't entitled to their freedom of expression and speech

 No.898

I took it down on purpose due to a /pol/ raid and will be bringing it back up after I migrate to arisuchan's software.

 No.943

It's back on a new domain, check out the topic of ##0chan on freenode.

 No.944

Due to some bullsoykaftery, we are back under the new domain 0ch.io

There will be a period of getting the site restored to something fully usable and decent looking.

 No.973


 No.975

>>897
Raids are super common in the chan space,

 No.1362

Is it actually kill this time?

 No.1365

>>1362
Until someone makes a new one, I think n1x is done with it which is a shame. But being anarchist and stuff there's no reason someone with relevant skills couldn't host a new 0chan. I would love to but I have no experience with moding or admining anything so I imagine I'd do a soykaf job and end up causing more harm than good.
It would be nice to see it continuing with something decentralized like zeronet or ipfs. Not sure how possible that is though.
Also there's no reason there can't be multiple 0chan type spaces in the wired, I'm considering setting up a piratebox in my local anarchist space hosting an imageboard. I doubt people will use it but it could be an interesting project.

 No.1366

>>1365
It really saddened me. For me it functioned as space where I'd go to discuss with other anti-authoritarian socialists of different tendencies, something I can't do on /leftpol/ (/leftypol/ has been turned into Stalinist USSR if you were unaware), the train of thought is always interrupted by appeals to representation in some way or another.

Is the source code for 0ch available somewhere? It'd be a shame to lose it.

Yes we need a new technical approach to this. Server-client isn't compatible with unauthoritarian boards it always ends up like /pol/ or /leftypol/. The megalomaniacal psychos gravitate towards the administrative positions. A synthesis between NNTPchan's server-management, 8chan's infinite boards and a user-steered imageboard-development (through polls?) with nerfed admins & mods? Would the last part be possible?

 No.1369

>>1362
Yep.

>>1365
>>1366
There's not really any source code that was unique to the site. Everything other than the css is in stock vichan, aside from a few soykafty hacks I added to the HTML. And the css is just arisuchan's, with a few minor tweaks.

Like I have mentioned a couple times, I want to experiment with building an imageboard on a decentralized protocol that supports dynamic content and hostname resolving (Dat, Holochain, scuttlebot, etc. There are several options). Zeronet already has an imageboard engine (which is also called 0chan), but I'm not a fan of zeronet personally.

But yeah, I already went over why I decided to shut the board down. I know that the decision was going to make some people unhappy, but it's not that hard to make a new anarchist imageboard if anyone wants to put in the initiative.

 No.1370

>>1369
Here's the git repo for the zeronet imageboard engine: https://gitgud.io/mcdev/Millchan

 No.1373

There is now a /anarcho/ on Millchan, post there if you want.

 No.1375

>>1369
Why are you not a fan of zeronet?

 No.1391

I really miss it.

 No.1392

>>1391
Come chill with us at http://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.onion/leftpol/ / https://8ch.net/leftpol - the demographic is by and large libertarian socialist. It was my fall-back. Though this Zeronet/Millchan/anarcho/ sounds interesting too

 No.1395

We could try and get some more posts on millchan/anarcho, as I understand it you're pretty safe if you connect to zeronet through tor which is pretty easy. But zeronet is pretty dead in general so I'm not sure how well it'll do.
Other than that there's obviously /leftypol/ which is unfortunately very much Marxist Leninist, we could try and fight for representation there but sadly discussion tends to be pretty unproductive. There's also 8/leftpol/ which has higher quality discussion but is pretty slow.
8/anarcho/ is also decent but also really slow. By nature of 8chan there's always a lot of low quality posts
bunkerchan is okay.
anything I'm missing

 No.1414

FYI: I'm taking down the VPS now, and unfortunately I also need to take down the matrix server.

The IRC channel ##0chan on freenode isn't going anywhere.

>>1395
My two cents here is to avoid any and all "leftist" imageboard communities like the plague. You'll regret investing anything into any of 8chan's boards, or bunkerchan.

Zeronet's millchan is at least superior from a technical standpoint, but like I said in the closing message, another larger problem is that the imageboard community as a whole is just a fucking cesspool all around.

 No.1417

>>1414
Take your defeatist depression somewhere else.
Just because you made stupid administrative decisions with your focus on obscurantist anarcho-nihilism and rejecting reason to pander to literal mysticists doesn't mean the imageboard left communities won't spawn interesting developments. They already have, with funding for real-life socialist projects like Democracy@Work, memes like Porky entering the popular consciousness, with the /leftypol/ admin debacle now having to face front-and-center the problem of socialist authoritarianism. It'll be fine, thank you very much.

 No.1419

>>1417
Interesting developments for who? The only actually interesting thing I've noticed that actually impacts us anarchists is that these "big tent" leftist spaces always end up assuming that everyone is a communist. Look around on any of them, all the threads address communists, all the posts assume everyone else is also a communist, sometimes even the posters with the anarchist flags claim to be communists. And people from outside eat it up, if you say anything bad about capitalism you are assumed to be a Stalinist or worse, and barely anyone even knows about us existing. Of course it's very convenient for everyone but us, but it wasn't like this a few years ago.

 No.1421

>>1419
We needed something broader than 0chan but something narrower than /leftypol/ / GETchan / Bunkerchan / /leftpol/.
Perhaps an autonomchan. But that requires, just like the recent talks on /leftpol/ of a 'leftchan' (since the displeasure of GETchan and Bunkerchan seems to be universal), that someone actually takes this into their own hands and does something about it. That hasn't happened yet.

 No.1423

>>1417
>>1421
>defeatist depression
>obscurantist anarcho-nihilism
>rejecting reason
>pandering to mystics
>le porky meme
>Democracy@Work (whatever the fuck that is)
I'm going to try not to get incensed here…

First of all, there was no 'pandering' to speak of towards any given tendencies on 0chan. The existence of an occultism board (that was seldom used, and mostly only used by people who were mad that it existed) had little impact on the community. 0chan was always predominately your standard anarchists, with a secondary concentration of technically-oriented anarchists. The existence of an occultism board, a hacking board, and a xenofeminism board was to open things up for tendencies that didn't get as much representation as standard anarchist tendencies. And anarcho-nihilism wasn't even a fucking part of 0chan's culture or like fucking anything other than something I used to be associated with on other sites.

The reasoning behind this (which ultimately didn't matter because the board like I said was still predominately just normal anarchists, which wasn't a bad thing) was that in order for an imageboard project to flourish, the board needs to have a distinct identity. Lainchan was a great example of that. You can try to just build a regular anarchist imageboard that wears its anarchism on its sleeve, but who the fuck is going to use that in 2018 other than people who already use imageboards and are anarchists? The broader anarchist milieu is not going to leave their well-established reddit communities or twitter communities or facebook communities for a platform that they have never used and associate with the alt-right and "brocialists"/"manarchists". That's just the reality of things that you quickly pick up on if you peek your head into those communities.

Something that is both "broader" than 0chan but also "narrower" than /leftypol/, to whatever extent the idea makes sense, would be exactly what I was talking about before. The future of online communities is increasingly granular, shareable, anonymous/pseudonymous content, which will ultimately be in the form of decentralized protocols. That's what you're talking about; something that can be both a broad, federated community of anarchists as well as various microcosms knit together with their own cultures and identities.

If you want to make anything happen, get your head out of 2008. Or otherwise, be content with whatever traditional imageboard communities that aren't alt-right hellholes are still around for the time being (which seems to dwindle every day).

 No.1425

>>1423
(not who you're replying to)
>be content with whatever traditional imageboard communities that aren't alt-right hellholes are still around for the time being (which seems to dwindle every day).
I actually am a little optimistic in this department. It seems the alt-right is rapidly developing a reputation for "cringe" which these guys love to hate. After seeing trump's failings I've seen more and more kekistani types posting about how they feel like they've been betrayed. I think in a few years there's gonna be more leftist presence, not less. Unfortunately I think a lot are gonna go the more tankie route which is to be expected, but also I think egoism and primitivism will be a pull towards anarchism, especially since the "post-left" label will lessen the impact for those who think the left is muh ess jay dubyas or whatever.

 No.1427

I'm still waiting for the day the revolutionary board script alluded to drops and ia adopted.

I was a bit sad 0ch died because there are so few boards that can stand up to /pol/ and even fewer that aren't communist.

 No.1436

n1x, why don't you just redirect anyone visiting 0ch.io to http://axiom.cafe/cynet/ or better yet https://9854.moe where there are empty /pol/ boards just sitting there waiting to be used on /cyb/ imageboards?

 No.1438

>>1423
>You can try to just build a regular anarchist imageboard that wears its anarchism on its sleeve, but who the fuck is going to use that in 2018 other than people who already use imageboards and are anarchists? The broader anarchist milieu is not going to leave their well-established reddit communities or twitter communities or facebook communities for a platform that they have never used
This is bullsoykaf as it happens all the time. You think most leftists on Facescan, CIAddit and Tweetlib actually like those places? They're there because of the network effect. Sure, some do like it, but I wouldn't want anything to do with those narcissistic useful idiots anyway.
>and associate with the alt-right and "brocialists"/"manarchists".
This is a sentiment enforced by the admins of those places. They also abuse their authority constantly. A lot of people see through the paper-thin facade to maintain their new media hegemony and often jump to new alternatives (Diaspora, Twitter and Reddit clones, Mastodon) as soon as they appear.
>Something that is both "broader" than 0chan but also "narrower" than /leftypol/, to whatever extent the idea makes sense, would be exactly what I was talking about before.
What? I'm not following. You're saying that's what'd be a bad idea (if so: how the fuck?) or that that is what you were doing (if so: then why insist on the nihilist aesthetics and postmodern pandering? That's alienating to the majority of the people you'd want to appeal to, hence my initial polemicizing).
>The future of online communities is increasingly granular, shareable, anonymous/pseudonymous content, which will ultimately be in the form of decentralized protocols. That's what you're talking about; something that can be both a broad, federated community of anarchists as well as various microcosms knit together with their own cultures and identities.
>If you want to make anything happen, get your head out of 2008. Or otherwise, be content with whatever traditional imageboard communities that aren't alt-right hellholes are still around for the time being (which seems to dwindle every day).
NNTP-Infinity software synthesis with native polling for participatory site evolution and an optional blacklist for rulebreakers (rules which are collectively decided upon). Both TLS'd surfaceweb address as well as .onion. This to me is the next step, purely technically. Sociopolitically I have my own biases.

>>1436
An ancap chan and one that shills for Telegram and already has a userbase of alt-lighers? We'd be playing with fire (the admins). We can do better.

 No.1440

>>1427
I'm very sad that it's gone. It already looked so different from 4chan I doubt anyone who is not already familiar with imageboards would have suspected that it had anything to do with it. I doubt a new board engine would change anything. It was slow but it seemed to have a core group with who you could have both serious discussion and also some fun and new posters seemed to discover (and forget about) it at a pretty regular interval.

 No.1441

>>1440
It was alright. Had too many boards for too few people.

 No.1442

>>1438
It might look that way, but they're both dead. I figured an admin would be largely absent. An imageboard is not supposed to be a hugbox. You can change who "owns" a board with sheer numbers. Is the moniker /pol/ just going to be a big, bad boogeyman forever?

I'm not a leftist, and I have yet to see proof you can better. I'm just interested in imageboards. /leftypol/ is a joke which is why there's /leftpol/ now which is okay. Bat'ko is the only guy who can meme well.

Maybe someone could set up
https://github.com/r04r/minichan
https://github.com/Guy-kun/live4chan
as an interim solution? If not, it'll just be /leftpol/. Good luck.

 No.1445

>>1425
The problem with this - which is partly why I personally also wanted to distance myself from any involvement in anarchist organizing through imageboard projects (despite the litany of other reasons I've mentioned) is this need to label everything with an anarchy sticker.

I think it's extremely unlikely that the future of the Wired is going to be ideologically "anarchist", but I think it's almost certain that it will be anarchic. More so than it is now. But insisting that everything needs to be organized along some kind of anarchist platform with everyone LARPing as an anarchist revolutionary is one reason why, in my opinion, projects like this are doomed to fail.

Insisting that everyone needs to read anarchist theory and self-identify as an anarchist not only is a hopeless endeavor, but ultimately a harmful one in my opinion. All it does it create a de facto hegemony of woke in-groups and non-woke out-groups instead of letting difference and chaos flourish. Too obsessed with control and trying to platform soykaf.

It's possible that there will be more leftists/anarchists moving towards alternatives to Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/etc. (despite my cynicism about these groups), but they're going to remain an in-group influencing the out-groups. Just like what /pol/ has been as far as the alt-right goes.

>>1436
Because the 0ch diaspora can find its own home without me endorsing any particular board.

>>1438
You said it yourself, they're there because of the network effect. You're not going to overturn that by creating alternatives and trying to make people use them. User flight on a large scale from different platforms is a process that has to happen organically, and the reality is that most people who are a part of the broad leftist/anarchist milieu are basically just useful idiots whose only role in the milieu is to be bodies representing different camps. They're going to do what everyone else is doing, and they're going to be the majority, so it creates a how-to-get-started problem that will only be solved when the platforms themselves become too intolerable for the users - which doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon given how often Facebook/Twitter/Reddit will give passes to fash or even defend them, if not also attack leftists/anarchists and marginalized groups more often.

I mean, ffs, the whole reason why I decided to start 0ch in the first place was because of some drama with /r/anarchism and the reddit mods banning radicals, deleting radical subs, and leaving fash untouched. But nothing came out of that. People stayed where they were comfortable with because everyone else was staying where they were comfortable because everyone else was….. etc.

>what I was talking about before

Meaning that something both broader than 0chan but narrower than /leftypol/ would be what I think the Wired is heading towards - decentralized, atomized communities that can federate with others if they wish and self-organize rather than relying on a given site being run in a way that reflects what the community wants. This rarely has been the case, and when it has been, it's been because the site was small and the administration had an investment in the site's culture and actively worked to keep itself in tune with it (again, like Lainchan used to be).

 No.1454

>>1445
What are your thoughts on raddle?

 No.1469

>>1392
That's a really horrible place, I tried posting a few times but it's full of amateur Marxists who are unable to comprehend that economics does not determine everything in life.

 No.1471

It's crazy how much I miss an anarchist space after having had it there.
/leftpol/ is self-destructing as we speak with mod censorship and abuses.
If someone could make an autonomchan that would truly be amazing. I would if I could at this point.

 No.1476

>>1454
I've barely used the site so I don't have much to say aside from not being a fan of the reddit format. They seemed nice, but the front page seems like a lot of liberal-adjacent soykaf.

>>1471
Hopefully this will motivate someone to come up with a better solution.

 No.1575

Is there any new anarchist imageboard I missed? I really need some online comrades but I'm sick of having to endure the stupidity of Marxists.

 No.1582

>>1471
All the (A) chans that have been attempted disappeared too soon after I found them but I feel your pain because the other, old style forums I visited for years are either gone as well or just abandoned by the populations that made them thrive.

 No.1583

>>1369
>>1370
>>1373
>Zeronet already has an imageboard engine (which is also called 0chan)
>Here's the git repo for the zeronet imageboard engine: https://gitgud.io/mcdev/Millchan
>There is now a /anarcho/ on Millchan, post there if you want
Has anyone visited? How is it? Report back with screenshots?

 No.1612

>>1583
Nobody?

 No.1613

I went to zeronet a while ago, it felt like it had little to offer over some other darknets, lots of fun animations, but very little community. Thats unsurprising; Ive been to a lot of such nets.

but this was a few years ago, perhaps I ought to revisit the place, a giant python contraption is probably better than the giant java piles some of these are built with.

Also >>1583, why cant you go there, alice? you have a computer, and doubtless savvy enough to get out to these spaces.

 No.1615

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>>1583
I don't know what you want, it's completely dead there's only two threads with 0 replies each. Because you need users to generate posts and no one in this thread decided to actually post there.

 No.1639

>>1615
Well the requirement of a bitcoin-based overlay network is kind of what makes it not attract a large following.



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