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T420 - 14", normal size
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The older Lenovos are almost as good as the IBMs; the newer ones are a bit more disappointing but still better than most other laptops out there.
What do you think about Lenovo ThinkPad T460 20FN004CRT ? I wanna switch my macbook to this.
Hello there, Medea
From what I heard, they are no big deal. Also from what I heard, half the reason why people want thinkpads is their lack of that intel management thingie.
I have an X100 and it heats like a bitch. It has one processor, and it's really slow. So avoid that one in particular. The screen and keyboard are nice tho.
Are IBM models even useful anymore? lenovo bought the division like what, 12 years ago?
if you already have a lot of computer accesible in the net, do you need a beefee laptop?
You can upgrade the wireless, or use ethernet, and provided the thing is in good shape, and use the power of your modern rig over the wired.
they're fine, but they come with all the trappings of modern computers; chicklet keyboards (mind you the Lenovo Thinkpad ones are nice) and modern CPU's with silly half-banked management engines in them.
Most of them are available without vPro which is the Intel product that causes the most grief, and they're still built like absolute tanks.
'regular' lenovos, eg; anything without the 'thinkpad' moniker is going to be absolutely no better than an asus or acer or other budget crap.
I run an X240 for work (my x201 covered with velcro and radio equipment is above) and it's nearly hit 3years, it's been dropped on concrete from chest height, it's had a pot of coffee spilt on it, and it's withstood my general abuse and roughhousing.
Keep in mind the X230's, 40's, 50's and 60'ss like a lot of modern laptops aren't built as conveniently as the larger T4xx's - to replace the keyboard you have to remove the motherboard, etc. You will want a plastic knife/spodge to pull them apart as well.
Don't get a T61/T61p, I'd recommend looking at the T60 and get one without an AMD chip. You'll have to upgrade the screen, but other than that it should be able to handle libreboot out of the box. Check the coreboot and libreboot hardware sections for more information.
how many x220 palmrests have you guys gone through? im on my 4th one
Thank you for replying, T60 don't need hardware modulation, and that is release, but why will i have to upgrade the screen ??
what do you mean by 'go through'? I've not had any issues with my x201 or x240 but I've been pondering replacing the x201 with a x220, would be nice to know what the perishables are.
I've been using an x220 for a while and the palmrest is fine. Not much difference in durability from my previous x200.
If you are going the x201 -> x220 way, I recommend that you pay attention to the screen, as it is the weakest point in x220. I'm even thinking of going the opposite way and changing it to an x201 for getting a better screen.
A word of warning about purchasing used Thinkpads on eBay. They're usually in great conditon, even better than described. The one issue I've had with ordering them on eBay from a variety of vendors is that the batteries rarely hold a charge for that long. I'm not sure why this is, but it would be worth it for anyone who is purchasing an old IBM or Lenovo Thinkpad on eBay to also upgrade to one of the better batteries with more cells. Will save you time and frustration.
That is probably why they are up for sale. People think they need a new computer instead of changing out a component.
I'd take that as a given for any 2nd hand laptop.
Just be careful as some aftermarket batteries on eBay don't report back the right stats to your laptops bios/acpi subsystem and you'll have no way of knowing until you've actually bought it :(
I'd say faulty drive.
>>842> So I try memory test, after several tries it gets half way trough and I get memory errors.
Yeah, start off with RAM, take the opportunity to get a decent chunk of it in there. T400's tended to have all of their ram as slot loading rather than only having one slot and the rest soldered onto the motherboard. Speaking of which; that's something you can try. It may already be running dual sticks, (2+2 or 4+4), strip one out, run Memtest, rinse and repeat.
Then as funds permit, work your way to getting an SSD to replace the hard drive, and a fresh battery.
Take the back off take the RAM out, disconnect the HDD and blow out all the dust (there will be heaps). Put it all back together and try it then. If that still doesn't work switch out the RAM if it's still fucked the your motherboard is fucked.
whats the consensus on Acer brand laptops?
i knew it. mmine cant run linux. If only i had the money id build a good pc
Other side of the coin: If you get an old enough one, you can run GNU/Linux on it fine, only having to use proprietary wifi drivers. For instance, I've been using this soykafty 2013 Acer for about three years now, running almost every distro under the sun.
Would the X250 be fine as a replacement for a Macbook Air? If so, what's a good price for a used one?
>I have zero comprehension and can't even open a libreboot.org website in my browser without asking other people for directions on a cyberpunk larping message board
if you were confused about pin count, SOIC-16 compatible clips do exist.
1) Stop larping. Qubes is not a panacea.
2) x230 with heads firmware,
I had one before I got my new Thinkpad T470 and it was absolute trash compared to this, I really can't recommend it at all
Not larping, looking to experiment and learn about those two tools. There's nothing wrong with that.
Thank you for the recommendation.
damnit this isnt 4chan. dont make threads starting with /TPG/
its just so bad, so generic, so absurd and offensive.
I agree. I think the process of threads about common topics being turned into dedicated "General" threads hurts discussion, for a lot of reasons.
Like how having islands associated with certain topics weakens board culture, because people often make a beeline for the General rather than search the whole board for topics of interest.
Or like how Generals are too General, and how relying on them makes it harder for people to get answers to specific questions or discuss specific topics effectively.
Or like how there's only so much to discuss about certain topics, so a lot of generals turn into repetitive insider trades.
Or like how some valuable forms of discussion are rendered redundant by authoritative pastebins that people often mindlessly reference.
Or like how… you get the picture.
great, lets bring over the mindless insider trading, consumerism and conformity of /g/
I know, Ive got people asking me left and rgiht 'where can I get and x200'
It's such bullsoykaf to have these threads. it's like ads but more hypercucked
This isn't 4chan, don't use "cuck" unless someone is literally fucking your wife in front of you.
He is right, though. Marketing is bad enough, but marketing done by unpaid consumers is disgusting.
>>1732>He is right, though
i also agree with them, but that's not the point being made.
While I fucking love thinkpads I think generals are the last thing this site needs. Then again a post is better than no posts. Tough call. I will say if the thinkpad does not have coreboot or libreboot support it is not worth getting. That is my needs though.
I'll be upgrading to x230 with IPS screen and keyboard mod soon. The perfomance and high-pitch noise of x200s got to me, I can't bear with this anymore.>>2410
What will you do several years later when x200/t400 won't be able to run a web browser properly and anything made later won't be libtarded? I don't think you have enough balls to go Stallman all the way.
Also this is ridiculous how infested with applegroids the board is. Ridiculous and sad.
I don't think browsers can't go on slurping every kind of function on their way with standards/specs comming as an afterthought. At some point even the smartes heads will lose their tracks. Either a clean up, or let train computers to handle this.
On the subject matter - got an x220 that reboots sporadically approx once a week. Odd ways that i bought it provide for no returns. At least the file systems stay mostly clean.
Coreboot and libreboot will be ported to more devices as time goes on. I just use w3m for my web browsing anyways. I am waiting for my Power9 system to ship right now. Should last me over a decade.
Is the thinkpad A series the same build quality as the thinkpad T series?
I left thinkpads for a ryzen processor with the hp envy series, and Id love to go back to thinkpads but id also like to stay AMD.
Also wow mobile ryzen is great bang for buck.
was thinking of getting an eGPU and some expansion slots for m.2 and PCIExpress but now have been separated from thinkpad, feels sad.
you know there's new thinkpads with ryzen and a decent integrated graphics for the price
I got a T400 coming in next week. I don't think I'll be able to fully make it libre, but it never hurts to have a backup driver, just in case>>2412
I think that by the time that the xx00 ThinkPads become effectively unusable for web browsing, the prices for the xx30 and xx40 ThinkPads will go down to the same level
Had one of those T61's with the Nvidia cards, they really suck, apparrently you can fix it by reflowing the mobo in an oven.
They're descent machines while they last, I was using it as on old XP gaming rig but that's probably what killed it.
Thinking about getting another thinkpad soon, I got a refurbished T430 for my first one and now I think I seriously want to try one of the older models. I'm mostly unhappy with the keyboard and would probably rather have a scissorlift key-model if someone can recommend me one I would really appreciate it.